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Salvation Indoctrination

Memorization For Belief Indoctrination Works!

The orthodox Jewish have been able to keep indoctrinating the next generation since Moses giving text to create and protect a culture that did not sacrifice children.



[1] Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[2] That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[3] Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[5] And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[6] And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[7] And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[8] And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[9] And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.


Jesus saw that caring our source of creating, caring for ourselves and caring for others like we care for ourselves was a step beyond memorization. Jesus paid the sacrifice of his life to save mankind from having priests and memorization between mankind and his source of creation.

Mohammad rejected Jesus as the Christ and said he was just a prophet and not the the Son of God Savior of mankind. Mohammed said he was a greater prophet, that the bible was falsified and that the Koran was God's final pronouncement even though Allah could and did change his mind with the later Suras invalidating the earlier ones.  

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Bet Sefer
When Jesus was a little boy around six years old, every other little six-year-old Jewish boy went to a local synagogue school called Bet Sefer. Let me hear you say Bet Sefer. It means house of the book. A child usually attended Bet Sefer from age 6 to age 10.
And you would attend this school five days a week - from Monday - Friday. There would be a local synagogue Torah teacher who would begin teaching you the Torah. The Torah was the first five books of the Hebrew Scriptures - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
On the first day of class the rabbi would take honey and would cover your slate, your personal chalk board, where you would write. Honey was a sign of God’s favor. There was nothing finer, nothing sweeter, nothing more full of pleasure than honey. And he would rub honey all over your slate. And then he would say, “Now class, lick the honey off the slate and off your fingers.” And so now you also can lick the honey off your fingers. And as you did this the rabbi would say, “May the words of God be sweet to your taste, sweeter than honey to your mouth” (Psalm 119:103). May the words of God be the most pleasurable, the most enjoyable thing you could even comprehend.
And so as a child you were introduced to the Scriptures as there was nothing more enjoyable in the entire universe than tasting, receiving , accepting the words of God and making them a part of your life. This is how Jewish boys were introduced to the Scriptures. From ages 6-10 they would memorize Torah: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. By age 10 they had memorized the entire Torah and completed Bet Sefer.

Bet Talmud
Now the best of the best students would continue on. The next stage was probably called Bet Talmud. Bet Talmud meant house of learning. Roughly from ages 10-14 in Bet Talmud you would memorize the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures all the way to Malachi. OK? By 13, 14 years of age you had the entire Hebrew text memorized. Even today in Jewish seminaries they still do this.
You would also at this age begin learning the Jewish art of questions and answers. Now today in our schools we memorize information that we have to write down on quizzes or exams. So we learn things like 2 plus 2 is? (4). 4 plus 4 is? (8) 8 plus 8 is? (16) 16 plus 16 is? (32). Today teachers love to give tests where the students memorize lists. But in Jesus’ day the rabbis taught you to answer with a question. So the rabbi might say what is 2 and 2? And you could answer what is 8 minus 4 or what is 16 divided by four? OK? So you would begin to learn the Jewish art of answering with questions.
By the way, when Jesus parents comes and find him in the Temple He is how old? (12) And what do they find Him doing? Mark 2:46 says, “they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers.” When it came to Scripture Jesus was the best of the best. He knew how to answer with questions. Why? Bet Talmud.

Bet Midrash
Now, at the end of your study at Bet Talmud, when you were around 13-14 years old, if you are the best of the best, then you would go and present yourself to a well-known respected, powerful rabbi. And you would say, “Rabbi, I want to become your disciple, your talmudeen, your student. Please let me in your Bet Midrash, your house of study.” And so the rabbi would say, “OK.” And the rabbi would ask you lots of questions, to find out if you are the best of the best. Because each rabbi wanted to teach his thinking, his philosophy, his interpretation of Scripture. Do you know what this was called? It was called his yoke. This rabbi wants to know, when he is questioning this possible disciple, “Is this boy able to become a rabbi himself and to teach and spread my yoke?” So the rabbi would ask all kinds of questions.
And if the rabbi believed that you were the best of the best, that you were able to become a rabbi, He would say, “Lech Acharai – Come, follow me.” And you would leave your family. You would leave your family compound. You would leave your village. You would leave the local synagogue where you had been studying. You would leave everything and you would follow that rabbi. You would become a talmudeen, a disciple, a student. You would give your life to being exactly like that rabbi. And you would follow him everywhere.
One of the Mishnah rabbis would tell disciples or students, “May you be covered in the dust of your rabbi.” Because you would have a rabbi come to the village and behind him would be these tamudeen following right behind him. And the roads were dusty. So these disciples who closely followed their rabbis would get covered with the dust of their rabbi.
You wanted to be so much like your rabbi that when your rabbi would pick up a piece of straw and put it in his mouth then you would. And you would follow this rabbi everywhere. Because the rabbi believes that you can be like him.
But for some Jewish boys when the rabbis quizzed them they did NOT say, “Lech Acharai – Come, follow me.” But instead they said “Ah, my son, you do know Torah. And you know Torah well. But you are not able to be my talmudeen, my disciple, my student.” So the rabbi would say, “Go, home to your village. Make babies. Pray that they become rabbis. Go home and learn the family business - fishing, farming, carpentry. Because you won’t be studying to be a rabbi.”

Now what was Jesus’ occupation? What kind of job did Jesus have? He was a what? Do you know what? Jesus was a rabbi. 13 times in the New Testament Jesus is called a rabbi (Matthew 26:25,49; Mark 9:5; 11:21; 14:45; John 1:38,49; 3:2,26; 4:31; 6:25; 9:2; 11:8). 41 times He is called a teacher. Only one time is he called a carpenter (Mark 6:3). In Matthew 11:28 Jesus said, “Come unto Me all you who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Now almost all the other rabbis would quiz the students and would choose the ones who were the best of the best of the best. They were the smartest. They were very good at answering questions with questions. But Jesus didn’t do that. He called disciples who had already failed the rabbi test, the rabbi ip-hak shiham. And He said, “Lech Acharai – Come, follow Me ... Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me.” Why did Jesus choose these guys? Because He believed they could become like Him.
And you know what? Jesus wants to be your rabbi. He wants to be your teacher, your master. He wants you to be His disciple, His student, His talmudeen. He is calling you today,“Lech Acharai – Come, follow Me.” It doesn’t matter who you are. It doesn’t matter where you are. It doesn’t matter what company you work for. The most important thing is not how much you can memorize. It’s not about how much you know. It’s all about who you follow. You can be like the rabbi.”

August 7, 2007

Hamas shaves year off inmates' sentences for memorizing Koran

Posted by Robert at August 7, 2007 11:54 AM

Wait a minute. Doesn't Hamas want people not to read the Qur'an? After all, as Jim Guirard has told us, the jihadists engage in "deliberate misreading, ignoring and perverting of passages of the Qur'an, the Hadith and the Islamic Jurisprudence (the Fiqh)." And he must be right, no? After all, all sorts of powerful people in Washington listen to him.

But consider this: if that were really true, would Hamas really encourage Qur'an-reading and memorization? Wouldn't they be afraid that in the course of this study someone would discover all the true, peaceful teachings of Islam, and renounce Hamas and its targeting of civilians?

Yet Hamas doesn't seem troubled by that possibility at all. Hmmm.

From The Associated Press (thanks to Twostellas):

Inmates in the Gaza Strip's main prison can now reduce their sentences by one year if they memorize five chapters from the Koran, Islam's holy book, the prison's governor announced Monday.

The prison, controlled by the militant Hamas movement since the group's violent takeover of the Gaza Strip in June, holds 350 prisoners, 30 of whom are on death row.

The new scripture program seeks to encourage prisoners to behave according to the Koran's law, prison governor Col. Abu al-Abed Hamid, said in a statement.

Most of the inmates were sentenced before Hamas took power, for crimes ranging from murder to corruption to collaborating with Israel.



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